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abisha1980
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by abisha1980 » Wed, 3. Mar 21, 18:58
MSterling wrote: ↑Wed, 3. Mar 21, 18:34
Looks fine. Aesthetics still matter in fiction. Star Wars isn't pooh pooh'd because there are wings on the X Wing fighter, Battlestar Galactica's craft being streamlined isn't a turn off. However, pirate clans would totally go for the view, for the same reason they flew the skull and crossbones: to say "Hold up, if you're lucky, you'll just be robbed today".
As for the terran fighter wings, two things. First, the Elite has its wings swivel, but no air to push against makes this "nonsense". So "clearly" there must be something happening. E.g. the inertial fields could be turned to make gravity be "down from the wings", meaning you can vector gravity thrust by turning the physical housing. Maybe. Headcanon it if you like, but do so here to: the wings could be where the thrusters allow faster turning by extending the torque of the wingtip thrusters. Secondly, there is no need for the LRX on the wings, those are for reducing vortex shedding that causes drag in atmosphere, not a thing in space. Unless the inertial dampening makes space act like a fluid, causing gravitational waves to vortex shed around the edges of such fields.
Suggest your own explanation.
Maybe it will be put in the Encyclopedia, if it fits with what the company staff have in mind for the lore.
i read this a lot and i feel the need to correct it.
"shape really matters" even in space, Space might look empty but the fact is it's still have geometry that means a shape of a object determine if space stretched or expand (consider a ship moves) it have energy (E) is basicly mass that means the faster a ship go's the more the geometry get effected. the more a spaceship experience stress
so yea wing's on spaceships *not so much* forward ball shapes hell yea.
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hargn
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by hargn » Wed, 3. Mar 21, 20:09
I fixed the ship!
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Ketraar
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by Ketraar » Wed, 3. Mar 21, 21:06
Those are some leviathan sized Boron
MFG
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Y-llian
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by Y-llian » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 01:13
Ketraar wrote: ↑Wed, 3. Mar 21, 21:06
Those are some leviathan sized Boron
MFG
Ketraar
From the fossil record...
Megalaboron
Hydroboro Rex
Borasaurus
Plesioboron
And of course the unforgettable Bososaurota. It roamed the oceans of Nishala using a sonar to “scan” the density of rocks. The reason for this behaviour continues to generate much debate in academic circles.
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Axeface
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by Axeface » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 01:45
Y-llian wrote: ↑Thu, 4. Mar 21, 01:13
Megalaboron
Dont make me make the model for that...
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chew-ie
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by chew-ie » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 02:00
Y-llian wrote: ↑Thu, 4. Mar 21, 01:13
Ketraar wrote: ↑Wed, 3. Mar 21, 21:06
Those are some leviathan sized Boron
MFG
Ketraar
From the fossil record...
Megalaboron
Hydroboro Rex
Borasaurus
Plesioboron
And of course the unforgettable Bososaurota. It roamed the oceans of Nishala using a sonar to “scan” the density of rocks. The reason for this behaviour continues to generate much debate in academic circles.
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zakaluka
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by zakaluka » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 02:51
What bothers me about this thing isn't the sail, it's that the center of mass does not lie along the thrust vector unless ballast was packed in starboard. The thing would corkscrew to port if you fired the main engines, unless there is extra mass loaded in starboard, or unless there is some serious extra power going to vectoring thrusters just to keep the thing pointed straight.
I know "but it's a game" - my engineer self can't suspend disbelief looking at it.
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Warnoise
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by Warnoise » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 09:42
I have seen crap design for space ships but this is a new low. Especially for a veteran like egosoft.
Glad I didn't preorder this
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Tyr Erddrache
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by Tyr Erddrache » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 09:47
Maybe the sail is part of a weapon that is needed to charge or cool it. Maybe for a huge EMP bomb that destroys all shields.
Or disables the Xenon
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Wraithsz
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by Wraithsz » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 11:56
Warnoise wrote: ↑Thu, 4. Mar 21, 09:42
I have seen crap design for space ships but this is a new low. Especially for a veteran like egosoft.
Glad I didn't preorder this
One ship design you didn't like and you decided not to preorder?
Your lost all those other ships look amazing and until I can see what that Aux ship looks like up close I wouldn't really care.
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by Bastelfred » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 12:16
zakaluka wrote: ↑Thu, 4. Mar 21, 02:51
What bothers me about this thing isn't the sail, it's that the center of mass does not lie along the thrust vector unless ballast was packed in starboard. The thing would corkscrew to port if you fired the main engines, unless there is extra mass loaded in starboard, or unless there is some serious extra power going to vectoring thrusters just to keep the thing pointed straight.
I know "but it's a game" - my engineer self can't suspend disbelief looking at it.
But this statement is without the knowledge about the inner structure. If a large mass rotates clockwise inside the Habitat Disk to generate gravity, then you have the necessary counterimpulse. Then this must be balanced then only depending upon thrust more or less.
But once you look that closely... the Nova is a death trap. The engines are angled so strongly with thrust that it would turn so fast that the complete organic content would form a new wallpaper in the cockpit as a thin layer.
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mr.WHO
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by mr.WHO » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 12:25
This is X4, not Kerbal Space Program.
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Horus Lupercal
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by Horus Lupercal » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 12:36
I got a very unlikely theory.
What if the sail is a feature all terran L ships have, which is a deployable solar panel used to generate energy cells to fuel their jumpdrives, also unique to terran ships?
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Bastelfred
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by Bastelfred » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 12:43
Horus Lupercal wrote: ↑Thu, 4. Mar 21, 12:36
I got a very unlikely theory.
What if the sail is a feature all terran L ships have, which is a deployable solar panel used to generate energy cells to fuel their jumpdrives, also unique to terran ships?
This does not work according to X Lore, you need jump cells. To produce them you need antimatter and a big factory.
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Fulgrymm
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by Fulgrymm » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 13:35
Bastelfred wrote: ↑Thu, 4. Mar 21, 12:43
This does not work according to X Lore, you need jump cells. To produce them you need antimatter and a big factory.
Which X lore? They've always used basic Energy Cells in all the X games I've played.
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by Bastelfred » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 13:55
Fulgrymm wrote: ↑Thu, 4. Mar 21, 13:35
Which X lore? They've always used basic Energy Cells in all the X games I've played.
Too bad for you, you didn't play the X with the best ambiance.
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chew-ie
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by chew-ie » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 14:14
Horus Lupercal wrote: ↑Thu, 4. Mar 21, 12:36
I got a very unlikely theory.
What if the sail is a feature all terran L ships have, which is a deployable solar panel used to generate energy cells to fuel their jumpdrives, also unique to terran ships?
Well, there is this Egosoft Discord leak info (behind spoiler warning) from
Afro Luigi@Steam. Don't know what to make out of that.
I guess we need that timemachine. Badly.
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Axeface
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by Axeface » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 14:30
So it is a terran auxillery as seen from preview vids. I was convinced it would be a special or only yaki
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by Tamina » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 14:57
Having seen it on Werits preview video I have to say I don't like it that much anymore
I love the general idea but I also think it sticks out way too much from the base ship design.
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by MSterling » Thu, 4. Mar 21, 14:58
abisha1980 wrote: ↑Wed, 3. Mar 21, 18:58
MSterling wrote: ↑Wed, 3. Mar 21, 18:34
Looks fine. Aesthetics still matter in fiction. Star Wars isn't pooh pooh'd because there are wings on the X Wing fighter, Battlestar Galactica's craft being streamlined isn't a turn off. However, pirate clans would totally go for the view, for the same reason they flew the skull and crossbones: to say "Hold up, if you're lucky, you'll just be robbed today".
As for the terran fighter wings, two things. First, the Elite has its wings swivel, but no air to push against makes this "nonsense". So "clearly" there must be something happening. E.g. the inertial fields could be turned to make gravity be "down from the wings", meaning you can vector gravity thrust by turning the physical housing. Maybe. Headcanon it if you like, but do so here to: the wings could be where the thrusters allow faster turning by extending the torque of the wingtip thrusters. Secondly, there is no need for the LRX on the wings, those are for reducing vortex shedding that causes drag in atmosphere, not a thing in space. Unless the inertial dampening makes space act like a fluid, causing gravitational waves to vortex shed around the edges of such fields.
Suggest your own explanation.
Maybe it will be put in the Encyclopedia, if it fits with what the company staff have in mind for the lore.
i read this a lot and i feel the need to correct it.
"shape really matters" even in space,
No, the CoM and the thrust vector matters.
Space might look empty but the fact is it's still have geometry that means a shape of a object determine if space stretched or expand (consider a ship moves) it have energy (E) is basicly mass that means the faster a ship go's the more the geometry get effected. the more a spaceship experience stress
If you're talking about the GR metric tensor, then no. The energy part is negligible at non relativistic speeds. If you aren't, then you're not talking about science, therefore making up a story not to fit the observed facts but to support the facts should be changed so we can't observe them.